Quantum Raiders Forum

[It's Dope!]

Options:

a. General changes
*Remove Casino; wipe zeny, berries, and seeds
*Increase berry and seed prices
*Remove #stats

b. Class changes
*Nerf Cart Termination
*Make Shattering Strike unusable in PvP

c. Card changes
*Nerf Doppelganger Card
*Nerf Golden Thief Bug Card


Reasons:

a. I [and others] have been yearning the removal the Casino for a while now, and obviously a Zeny wipe should follow. And because the main use of Zeny is berries, a berry [and seed] wipe is also necessary. No longer will Poring Cards be priceless, no longer will Discount/Overcharge be worthless skills, and no longer will “B>” or ”S>” chat rooms be dismissed, hopefully.

Even though money would be wiped, Zeny would still be easy to come by due to the drop rates. I’m thinking around a ten-fold increase in the cost of berries, to ~100k, and seeds to ~60k. Decent players should be able to make 100k a minute pretty consistently; in the end, Asura users needs to ask themselves if a minute of work is worth a second of un-guaranteed happiness. Also, if players were to decide to hunt berries, it’d take about seven LoDs, which shouldn’t take more than half a minute. This may seem the wiser choice, however, one must realize that he must not use a berry in the process of hunting, or the outcome would come out to be nil. Of course, this could also mean more “Asura-n-Runs”.

The “#stats” commanded is hated by vets and loved by noobs. This command is much like a GM giving out levels, to a lesser degree. Look at it this way: Player A spends an hour perfecting his build; Player B spends 20 seconds #stats-ing Player A and replicating the build. Player A spends six months leveling to 255; Player B flirts with GM and in 20 seconds, gain 200 levels. This command should not be freely used by ordinary players and should be restricted to high-level GMs, just like #itemlist is.

b.With the right equipment [and skills], 60k Cart Terminations should be quite common. Factor in the near non-existent delay and the ever-hated Shattering Strike, this skill is, without a doubt, the cheapest move (much more than that of Asura is) in the game. Two ways to balance this: higher delay or lower damage. In comparison with Soul Breaker, this move does roughly 3x more damage, while sacrificing no delay; in fact, even benefiting from lower delay. A compromise would be 2x more delay (not 3x, because of lack of range) than that of Soul Breaker. When compared to Double Strafe, their delays are near identical, while there’s a huge difference in damage, nearly 15x. Lowering the damage of Cart Termination to 1/10th of the original would somewhat balance this. If it were up to me, I’d sacrifice damage as opposed to delay: DS is a very practical skill in PvP while Soul Breaker is not.

Shattering Strike does nothing but piss people off… self-explanatory. At least no losses are experienced when fully stripped, since one can easily stall it out or just be killed. Being killed doesn’t repair items, so… yeah.

c. Official RO servers don’t expect players to obtain MVP cards, let alone more than one. From the previous patch to the current one, Doppelganger was already upgraded from reducing 25% weapon delay to reducing 33% of weapon delay. But the fact that it can be stacked makes this card one of the most abused. 195 use to be a privilege, but now it’s a requirement. Level 1 novices can run around with 195 ASPD and quite frankly, I’m not a big fan of that. Removing its ability to stack, but keeping the upgrade from reducing 25% -> 33% of weapon delay, keeps the card desirable, but not cheap and abusive.

Ahh… the GTB…. the most controversial card in qrRO. This card alone rids Wizards and Sages [and their respective transcendent classes] useless in PvP. A single card should not be able to make two classes worthless; one card should not dominate any class. However, I must agree to the fact that Wizards are able to dish out inhuman numbers compared to the other classes, so ridding GTB of all it’s uses would be unwise. A GTB still should be the shield against spells, but instead of fully immune, a healthy percentage would suffice. I’m thinking somewhere around twice the effectiveness of Cranial, so about 60-75% reduction vs. magic should do. Given, lower level players are no longer able to level in Plague, but they shouldn’t be able to in the first place. Gain some, lose some.


My propositions, comments?

[Soul]

whole heartedly agree dope

question are u talking about cart revolution or cart termination?

[Bunny]

a and c. now about mercie skills.... i would say shattering is good. no need to whien that ur friggin wep is broken. u can fix it easily. and if ur killed ur unstripped and wep is broken then teh enemy isnt gonna run quick. just go repair it put ur armor on and go fight again. cart wieght should be back to normal.

[It's Dope!]

What's the point of going back if it's just going to be broken again? Plus, one player loses steel while the other sacrifices nothing. As for Cart Termination, you have no idea what you're talking about. With the HP decrease, 2-3 Carts finishes any player.

[Sadei]

Okay not to be rude but this thread is really stupid. Yes i would like asura-n-run to be gone and the like but all this your suggesting is going a bit far. For one, instead of complaining, lets respect what CM chooses to do with HIS server. And also respect that this isn't actual RO. It isnt very hard to find ways around all this stuff your going on about. Really. And also i do agree for the Zeny and the GTB to be brought down to resistance. so im not totally against this but you are taking things a bit far for some players...and for the #stats...builds are posted on the net...Player B would just go onto sites to get one....and some people use #stats to help players so it isnt always misused.
anyway thats just my thoughts. go on about your business. Whatever happens it better not Frack up the server.

[Xaris]

I agree with everything except the zeny wipe might be a bit much, as in maybe a zeny wipe to a certain degree, like everybody who has more than 100k gets nerfed down to 100k.

[Bunny]

who cares? its easy to find steel. and for cart weight still should be lowered. this is Kami(my lovely brother O_o not... but he's my bro) quote about nerfing but this should deal with teh weight...and if u say my bro is dumb then shut the f**k up... he IS MY BROTHER and im protecting him from jerks. aka he's AznMan

Nerfing sucks, like most nooby servers out there. just change the weight back to 8k and everything will be fine again. Cart Termination is suppose to do that much dmg, and its suppose cancel cart boost after use

only nerfing it would ruin it, but changin teh weight will only chnage it, and btw get hit a few times is better than one.

and ur not gonna believe but my bro is Critical love, an old female knight on qrRO back then. if u got any problem with insult, say goodbye to ur nuts. >:)

[It's Dope!]

Yes i would like asura-n-run to be gone

You fail comprehension.

and for the #stats...builds are posted on the net

Remember, private server; different stats, different items, completely different builds.

some people use #stats to help players so it isnt always misused.

"Some people" just needs to ask "players".

@Xaris: Remember, 100k = 1 berry. A zeny wipe is definantly not too extreme; there are well over 2 trillion zeny circulating around qrRO, not even factoring in Plats.

EDIT: Your brother is dumb. Nerfing the weight from 10k -> 8k reduces a 60k cart to 48k, instead of 2-3 hits, now it'll take 4-5, whoop-dee-doo. I'm speaking from a general point of view, but you seem to be speaking from a Whitesmith's.

[Bunny]

and for teh gtb card.

Nerf? Nerfing will only this server just like every other single dumb server out there that thinks they can solve something just by moving the colors on the rubik's cube around. I remember there was a discussion on this subject a long time ago. the answer to your problem is... quit trying to solo in WoE. If someone has a GTB get someon on ur side to deal with it, like a rouge or smith. you dont just HAVE to kill that person with magic. and if ur fighting in pvp, then oh well too bad for you. going into pvp means u accepted the terms that u might just be fighting by urself. and what if u bump into some jerk in the fields with a GTB? well go back to town and start a man hunt party or just put him on the bad ppl list so ppl would know to avoid him/her. i personally dont see anything wrong with gtb and "Nerfing" it to just give lots of mdef will throw everything off balance. and about the instant cast deal, i also remembering a topic about that. raising the instant cast threshold means that younger mages will be screwed, cuz thier casting time will be SLOOOOOWWWWWWWW. slower than normal. so like what we want to screw over the new mages?

[It's Dope!]

Stop quoting your brother, he has no credibility at all. It's really a waste of time to prove each and every one of his statements false, so I won't bother to for the time being.

[Bunny]

at least he had experiances with other stuff. he has been thru a bunches of servers. and for one thing GTB card should eb left alone and lower teh card drop. every item on teh server drop is all 15% which is very easy to get that card.

and for that message. screw u and dont be jerk.

[It's Dope!]

Which is exactly what discredits that statement, as experiences with other servers merely distort and askew his view of this one. And my mistake, I should be worshipping him as opposed to treating him as I would anyone else. He is after all, the brother.

Just stop replying, please.

[bioboy66]

well i see no piont in changing things in the server because if you did this CM would need to wipe the server. The wipe would be to make things fair for the new people that come to the server. Also i do think this topic is a waste of time because this has been brought up in thepast and was not changed, so i dont see why it would be now.

so to end any cuase of flaming that is going to happen i suggest closing this topic now.

[Bunny]

that is not what i frigging meant......not even worship, that just takes teh cake...i only use my bro's wuote just for this to help. im leavin this crap to teh admin...

[It's Dope!]

So... why exactly would a wipe be needed? How exactly does this make it unfair to newer players? And Bio, it's just a debate; you must've done quite a few in your day. Debates shouldn't be dismissed as flames, just so as long as evidence and reasoning of some kind is involved.

Which brings me to: just because you're brother believes in it, it doesn't make it true. From what I've seen, none of what he has posted has yet apply to this server.

[David]

well i voted for none cuz cart termination shouldnt be removed IMO. the only other skill that whitesmiths got left is mammonite when the casino is removed there will be none to mammo with and thus hard to lvl. unlike other classes smiths are not stacked up with attacking skills.

[bioboy66]

if you havent noticed you and bunny have already started flaming each other, so this is just going to get worse. that is all i am saying.

[Bunny]

http://quantumraiders.com/forum/index.php?showuser=113

im leaving this topic but still i have a right to read it anyways....

[It's Dope!]

Cart Termination will still be the skill to use; it'll have a little over DS damage with the same delay. Last I checked, Mammo doesn't do 6k.

Bio, reread my posts.

EDIT: I suggest you start reasoning with me; I'm firm on where I stand, I'll back it up with what I have. I won't show any of you respect until you succeed in changing my view, or I yours.

[David]

hey dope are you mad at whitesmiths who kill u in pvp or something? the changed skills i see are all smith skills, and cart term should stay the way it is if asura isnt going to be nerfed.

[It's Dope!]

Have you yet been hit by one, one of full potential? Once again, general point of view, not biased. SPIKE and Calim would survive CT without a sweat, as would anyone else who's able to obtain 99 def. Seeing as you nor I can, it does make it quite unfair. I would factor Mental Strength, but seeing as only 1 class can use it, that's quite impractical.

Thwart me with logic, not with mindless personal attacks. I can do an actual calculation of the damage it'll do on the standard player, if you'd like.

[DoubtlessOne]

meh... 99 Def should basically take out 99% of the damage
(then people say "NO SHIT SHERLOCK)

ok... you should make the topic "Proposition" not "Proposal"
you confused me, I thought you having a weapon

I vote for a only

because Cart Termination and Shattering strikes were put in game for a reason

besides... it's not like Shattering strike one-hit KO's, it just breaks armor and weapon so it should just be left alone

Casino has been a problem to economy since beginning, and berries as well
so.. meh... A only

[David]

Have you yet been hit by one, one of full potential? Once again, general point of view, not biased. SPIKE and Calim would survive CT without a sweat, as would anyone else who's able to obtain 99 def. Seeing as you nor I can, it does make it quite unfair. I would factor Mental Strength, but seeing as only 1 class can use it, that's quite impractical.

Thwart me with logic, not with mindless personal attacks. I can do an actual calculation of the damage it'll do on the standard player, if you'd like.

well if ppl can survive CT then why nerf it? if you nerf it there will be no full potential to CT anymore would there?

[It's Dope!]

Okay, so I guess the fact that it has no delay doesn't apply. The fact that it can be spammed near 5 times a second doesn't affect the skill at all. The fact that all this was stated in the previous post failed to register.

[Elk]

Im fine with everything.
either though the dopple propsal would ruin my pvp weapon but Oh well.