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[Champagne]

@Labuta

This shouldn't come as a surprise but I guess common sense varies from person to person, Global Economy and Politics wouldn't even matter if man didn't feel the need to own everything. Communism, Capitilism, it's all garbage to control the masses.(akin to believing in a god) -- moving from one system to the next doesn't mean a damn thing. in the end it's a bunch of sleazy bueracrats who want power and money. the weak stay weak and the strong & skilled own everything.

Just like hitler wanting a "pure" clean earth of purebreads right?(that and rumors of Atlantis research??)
History moves from one (or many) political tyrants to the next, calling them different things, whether it be Emperor, Dictator, King/Queen, President, it doesn't matter, they're there to do the same things, under different guises, and using different more clever methods of controling a given population.


If the world was ready for something so lofty and idealistic as Communism we wouldn't need laws, or locks on our doors, security cameras, polices... the fact is we do, and right now humanity needs and relys on this. Perhaps one day when humanity is ready communism or something like it will get it's time. and you HONESTLY think everyone claiming to be a communist bought all the shit communism was about? bullllsshiiittt, and you know it.(half the communist party was terrified of it's goverment)

SO Labuta, untile humanity drops it's VAST differences, is trustworthy enough GLOBALY and humane enough, Communism simply can't exist in a form of global power. anyone can believe in anything they want, but it doesn't change facts, and humans just aren't ready for a social system like Communism, There are reasons arguments about communism and capitilism ended mainly with the cold war, get the FUCK over it.
If your so ashamed about it to go start an argument over it, HIDE it, say your a capilitlist, we KNOW the world isnt openminded enough to encompess human differences, so stop bitching about one little thing that happened, i mean fuck compared to Black people in that sense Communists had it EASY. Least you whiney little bitches weren't enslaved.

the fact we almost had a "M-A-D" Nuclear war over this shit should have proved enough of a fucking point that humanity ISN'T ready. what part of that didnt you fuckin' get?

not to nitpick on you but you would have been better off creating a thread about what people's views were on Communism & social reforms, as opposed to completely opening yourself up to this sort of debate by saying you hate everyone whos against Communism. ( That or get back at the actual person who used being a communist against you) Perhaps get evidence just incase they try again, sort of like age/race discrimination.

and honestly!, this topic may be in the right place, but your whining to people who
A: Don't give a fuck, and
B: Can't do a fucking thing about it.
(besides use curse words and argue moot points)

End diatribe #2. -

[codemaster]

woah, there, calm down everyone.
Take the blue pill (it's a chill pill).



Anyway, I think the next time someone says they are socialist or communist, you should walk up to them and ask if they will share the contents of their wallet

I'm just kidding. I prefer capitalism (maybe not the US's), though, as I believe you should be able to keep most of, if not all, the resources you worked hard for, instead of working your ass off and only having the same exact thing as the guy next door who barely does any work.

Then again, that's my opinion.

Nonetheless, back to the original topic, I do not think your job should have been compromised whatsoever due to your ideals. It doesn't make you any better or worse of a law-practicing personnel. (Plus it's also illegal to dismiss someone simply based on their views)

[Rizzy886]

@champagne tldr

@Labuta: I've been preaching freedom and helping Chinese get around their government blocks for a few years now so yeah, it's my nature.

@Valheru: I try to keep things fun for me when dealing with him, I apologize, and now I'm bored he usually puts up a better fight than this. I don't want to go into the zomg wormhole thing, but I just think the crazy complicated warped space time diagrams scientists come up with are silly. I prefer to think of space as an infinite emptiness. Maybe when you scroll off one side you'll appear on the other, maybe wormholes are the invisible walls that fling you back, we'll probably never know, but that's not relative (to energy lol).

@CM: I agree with you there. It's about every day I see some kid with the sickle and hammer spray painted on his/her shirt. Then I watch as they pull out their iPod and hop into their BMW, probably to drive back to their multi-story gated community home to chill in their pool of money for the rest of the day. I have a hard time suppressing the desire to walk up to them, beat them shitless yelling "V'oktyabreh, v'oktyabreh!", steal their iPod, and call it even wealth distribution.

[PrinceLabuta]

@Champagne:how many times do i have to reiterate, COMMUNISM WITH CHINESE CHARACTERISTICS!

the soviets focused on arms buildup and mistrust of the west. China focused on Economic Development, agrarian reform, and industrialisation. read history, Sino-Soviet Split? does that ring any bells?

why stick to dogma? what use is dogma if your people starve? in the USSR 17 and 18 year old babies are told to nibble on Das Kapital and Anti-Durhing. Their inclination is to regard what they have learned from their teachers as never changing dogma. Those who regard Marxism-Leninism as religious dogma show blind obedience. The Chinese told them openly, "your dogma is of no use" or the actual phrase by Chairman Mao "your dogma is less usefull than excrement, we can see that dog excrement can fertilize the fields , and the man's can feed the dog. and dogmas? they cant fertilize the field nor can they feed the dog. of what use are they?"

the russians have reduced socialism to a struggle for a good dish of goulash.

meanining:

1. An irreconcilable and antagonistic class contradiction has emerged between the soviet people and the privileged bureaucratic stratum
2. A tiny number of bureaucrats are reaping high salaries, high rewards, and a great variety of personal subsidies. They are completely divorced from the working class.

and what about uncle joe stalin? what did he say in his book Economic Problems of Socialism in The USSR?

1. Stalins basic error was mistrust of the peasants
2. Stalin only emphazied on technology. He wanted nothing but technology, nothing but cadre. no politics, no masses.
3. From start to finish of his book, Stalin says nothing about human beings. He sees things, but not people.

You are wrong to believe that the peasants want only a small plot of land and bare existence. They are motivated by more than self-interest. They are burning with a demand for change. You carp about peasant excesses and the chaos of mass movements. you feel more at home with bureaucratic methods.

Let the Peasants and the workers become the masters of their own productive destiny and they will produce. Let their energies be multiplied through co-operative efforts and a leadership deeply rooted in their midst, and they will break the grip of poverty.

so how does one judge all this? only in the light of the Sino-Soviet Dispute. For the Chinese decribe the Soviets as the "Greatest Threat in the World" China's foreign policy is based on opposition to the soviet stand everywhere. Examples are the Yemen Incident, 1970. Youm Kippur, Sino-Indian war* and many others



*India was being supplied militarily by the Soviet Union during the first and second kashmir war against Pakistan.

[Rizzy886]

Don't waste your breath he's too thick to understand any of that. So I'll address it instead.

Communsism with Chinese characteristics is just putting a spin on Chinese Capitalism. That's what it is, until you can prove otherwise. I site the manefesto http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/class ... festo.html as my source.

Your statements on the Chinese/Soviet systems are correct though. I would disagree with what you said about Stalin. His distrust was in no way an error, he was a dictator, and lived out his life as such. Brilliant in my opinion as other dictators of his day were being hung upside down and shooting themselves in bunkers. He did reform the Russian economy, modernized it, much like in China though he had more of a military power intent where, like you said, the Chinese are focusing on expanding the economic power.

They are motivated by more than self-interest.

This fact is both the creation and destruction of Communism. Peasants who are sick of the bloated government leeching off of them overthrow it for a better life. Then, they cheat the Communist system, like we saw in the USSR, and brings it down. Under all of the communist countries the peasant class has still been oppressed and has never been better off. The fact is the only way for them to actually control themselves is in a capitalist and democratic system, where their only governing factors is the voice of the people an the laws of the free market economy.

[Champagne]

@Labuta, Communism is Communism just as Captitilism is Capitilism, change the country/state it still maintains the same overall meaning and purpose. or did you think because you said so made it change? or not realize the goverment crafts these ideals onto the public as a form of control, or do taxes and laws not apply to you since you claim to be a communist, mister lawyer?

And you wonder why people hate communists? people like you who think there way is better or think the world discrimitnates against you because one person looked at you wrong or you almost lost your job because of your beliefs,
It's people like you and narrow minded thinking that starts wars.
WHICH COMMUNISM ALMOST DID.

( I mean come on the main purpose behind communism was money, that right there should tell ya it's gonna be a problem, you honestly think the goverment wants anything from or for the public other than their money? that they want to help?!

if they wanted to help we wouldn't be taxed, and our income wouldn't be taxed either, and i'm SURE they tax people in communists countries as well, i guess that's how the goverment in those places "share" money with everyone, they pay them, then they tax them.

and Communist China is worse then this, "Oh yeah, we're communists, but we want open trade OUT of our country, but you CAN'T come in, and we enslave our public with secret police, and threats of poverty and violence" that and tax people for using our facilities. or ship toys with lead based paints to other countries.

Wake up and join the rest of the people who go through this or WORSE discrimination everyday. I never knew a lawyer could be such a pussy.

@Rizzy886, and you wonder why you can't and wont/never will beat me. and nobody else ever could/will, eat shit and die pig. go burn with the rest of your state.

@Valheru, BUT IT'S DUMBLEDORE!!! BIG NEWS!

[PrinceLabuta]

you think its easy for me to lose my job?

like hell, it takes hard time just to join a law firm, then almost get booted out for your political ideology.

and as for your info, my specialty is labor law, so get this into your thick cranium, Labor Unionism is Socialism, plain and simple. Social Security and Health Insurance (Public) are socialism. Government Agricultural Subsidies is Socialism.
Federal Intervention on the Mortgage Crises is Socialism.

if your smart, you would know what i mean by that. if you cant, wallow in your ignorance.

[Rizzy886]

Please refer to this post.
http://quantumraiders.com/forum/index.p ... =10792&hl=
Thank you.

Anyways... I agree with many of the ideas of socialism, socialized medicine, social security, unions, etc. to a reasonable extent, because we all know a few of the programs are getting out of control. However, I stand against Communism as being the ruling government. Good idea, not practical. The whole everyone gets the same pay for different work, purging of the intellectuals and political opponents thing just doesn't go well with someone who knows freedom. You could say that we should adopt the 'Chinese Method' but in reality the Chinese are adopting the American Method, we're already there, so you see the argument is cyclical.

[Champagne]

you think its easy for me to lose my job?

It's never easy for anyone to loose a job, but saying you hate people who hate communism over one persons old die-hard prejuduce is retarded, and you shouldn't blame others for it in the first place, yourself and the antatgonist should have been where it stopped.

People don't really, truly hate communists, communism or the ideas of it, they hate whiney people who start shit over it.

Law is Law, you said you see how the masses are opressed so you take a moderate -> high paying job, and history already shows law hurts everyone, and isn't always right, and doesn't always do the right thing. it's a double-edged sword.

If you really wanted to help people, become a politic for a few years and try to change something, or maybe study and become a teacher, teaching something that's real is better then preaching bullshit.

And unless your lawfirm can help all 6.2b+ humans on earth, helping a handful is just your way of feeling good about doing next to nothing. ( even if it is better than nothing )

[Creon]

@Champeene: I realize you're pontificating, but... come on

[Rizzy886]

Rules 1 & 2 faggot!

[Champagne]

Look I know I threaten your invisible QR authority around here maggots, but stay under foot, it's better for everyone that way.

@Creon, Unless your truly as retarded and illiterate as you seem, even somone of your intelligence should be able to spell my forum name properly, try, English isn't that hard.
I already know it's beyond Stings power, so asking that of him is too much.
( He is after all, named after a gay musician and dresses up in cosplay. )

And yes Creon, i'll pontificate my opinions up all your asses till you understand reality. and not just what you google/ read about in rednecks monthly magazine.

Go back to your pipe dreams and emo-laced daily grind.

@Rizzy886, My my, after all that big talk to everyone on AIM about how cool you are and how you were kicking my ass on the forum (indirect claims to others must really kick my ass), you fucking poser. grow a dick, and at least one nut to go with it.. maybe then i'll take my shoe out of your ass.

[codemaster]

hey, keep it clean, guys
(and now back to your current thread)

[Rizzy886]

Guys? Try guy.

[HaloPheonix]

Hmm wow what a long and drawn out subject copied and pasted many times to make other sound as if they had grown an extra head on their shoulders to store such knowledge. Mmm anyway I believe in the "By your own strength and merit" way. It worked back then, sure its alittle more complicated now; some would say mental strength is superior others would say physical. I say a persons talents take them where they want to be with their will intergrated deep down within it. Some people give up on life. I may sound mean and cruel when I say this but, hey let them die if they give up. If there is no will there is no way so why shed a tear? Those who have ability (everyone has ability to some degree) should pursue what they want with it and achieve as much as they can, with all their will. It seems to me like all this repub, demo, commu and all the others seem like a crutch if you will to carry along those who cannot fend for themselves because they believe its "too hard and impossible" for them to do it and have lost their will. I hate people who say such things as I cant, I wont, we musn't, and impossible, because it just means in some way shape or form they have lost the will to try to go into the unknown and push your will deep inside and see what comes forth and to embrace good or bad. I for one have experienced first hand so many things that they said were impossible. So I know all you need is will, pure will and the heart to move with all your might toward a goal. By your own strength and merit each individual can make accomplishments and move forward. I like this better than all those parties.

[Rizzy886]

I like your cold realism yet optimism.

I wanted to avoid straying from the focus on communism here which is why it might seem like copypasta instead of our own preferred system of government, but mine is just crazy anyways.

[PrinceLabuta]

To each acording to his abilities, rewards according to your labor.

[Rizzy886]

But that's capitalism not communism. Communism is everyone gets the same amount of money, wealth distributed evenly among your comrades.

[Hagios]

working for the good of the whole = communism
-echo-

[HaloPheonix]

I like the echo heh. Mmm I dont exactly know what my explanation would be put under. I just think that everyone should work to their goal with the ability they have with all their will. Doesnt mean you have to work alone, you can work toward a common goal with like minded people who doesnt lose their will easily. Almost everything I put my full will into I have gotten or mastered. "By your will and your merit"

[Rizzy886]

Well might as well post mine..

I think we should all die. Full blown biblical apocalypse.

[254416795]

But that's capitalism not communism. Communism is everyone gets the same amount of money, wealth distributed evenly among your comrades.

I come back from almost a year of feeling dumb and I find this post...
quite excellent... really, and really interesting as well.

It's really quite odd how Capitalism and Communism tie oppositions in the views of many. Yet also, people have not noticed that we gave BOTH of these economic views a try. And guess what... they BOTH failed.

I read thru a lot of your posts, except Labuta's obvious "copy-and-paste". I do wish people who truly believe in their stand of political views would take the time to research and compile a thought of their own, other wise, I'd think of them as another "Robot" persay of another Puppetmaster.

Alright then, lets try a new approach here. This topic was obviously not meant to compare Political views.
By the way, Labuta, I'm a very Conservative person, which means I would lean towards Communism, but I'd disagree with it completely. (Sounds contradictive)
I know that, but what my beliefs are, is that we need to be much more rigid and strict with politics, instead of thinking the world is a good place to be when you have money, or rich parents.

Here's what we'll do...
Labuta will state WHY he believes in Communism. and this time, NO COPY-PASTE bs around here, ok?
Sting on the other hand will state opposing views, if any, or try to counter what was stated (if any)

I, on the other hand, will sit back and watch this text-war come to bout. Because honestly, when we had so many revolutions, we've only added more problems.
Think about it when you can.
Ever since we were introduced to "economics", which was not so long ago, we've had problems dealing with many social issues.

Here was my thoughts.
Every man MUST join the Military.
NO Social Welfare (Medicaid, and such)
Child Support is based on situations.
Divorce results in ONE fatality (meaning one spouse dies ALWAYS)
Abortion is limited (After 2, the mother is killed instead)
Financial Debt will cause you to become deported into an island. (situations)
Social Benefits given to those of Merit.

*now getting onto Crimes*
Theft - Stealing properties with significant value will result in Death after 2nd capture.
Grand-theft - Execution after 1st.
Murder - If thought guilty, given 2 weeks to prove innocence, or executed on spot.
Embezzlement - Death on the spot.
Scamming - In ANY way even minor forms, result in DEATH on the spot.
(Basic Crimes)
Why do I support Death Penalty so much?
Because.... fuck, we have so many useless people in the world, we have to start lowering the damn count, or move to another planet! Like, MARS!!

I don't have complete thoughts on much, but here's what I will say....

ALL ECONOMIC IDEAS FAIL! Whether it be in 20 minutes or 200 years, or even 200 millenias... it FAILS, because there are always those idiots who abuse exploits within that system.

Here's a NEW idea.... instead of idiots crying about how their Country is better, how about we research Rockets, not NUKES, to TRANSPORT a whole NATION into another Planet, Mars...
Or better yet... we BUILD a new Planet like Katamari Damacy and send Nations there?!
Seriously, Humans are feeble, close minded, and only believe what they want to. It's ignorance, really.
I'll admit, I am an ignorant person... there can only be so much that a person can know. But you know what? I want to hear my life stories on both perspectives....
Which is both Civillian AND Military...
So any of you Pussies want to hear the other side? Then sign up thru MEPS.
Because as of now, ALL of your OPINIONS may be your thoughts, but they'll ALWAYS be invalid unless you try something about it.

[Rizzy886]

I was going to cockslap you for the arrogance of the first part but the second half made me lol so, redeemed. Actually, I don't need to respond to that, everything that you've said which would effect me has already been answered in my posts. Go read.

[Champagne]

ALL ECONOMIC IDEAS FAIL!

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[Rizzy886]

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